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Someone named --xyzzyn has been censoring my theory about 666isMONEY from the article
Number of the Beast at Wikipedia. I can no longer edit the page and I am NOT skilled at html. So far I
have had the following conversation online with xyzzyn. I'm not sure what his agenda is but I'll bet
he is a fundamentalist Christian bigot, who has his own theory published in the article and hides
behind a cryptic name so you can not email him directly without knowing how to type a mysterious
subset letter. When my article was uncensored, my webpage got thousands of hits.
Number of the Beast at Wikipedia. I can no longer edit the page and I am NOT skilled at html. So far I
have had the following conversation online with xyzzyn. I'm not sure what his agenda is but I'll bet
he is a fundamentalist Christian bigot, who has his own theory published in the article and hides
behind a cryptic name so you can not email him directly without knowing how to type a mysterious
subset letter. When my article was uncensored, my webpage got thousands of hits.
Number of the Beast
beast on/in mind or hand." Liddell and Scott tell the context of the words or the places they appear in
documents under translations throughout the centuries. (Words change meanings over time.)
Antipater Thessalonicensis wrote at the same time as the Revelation was composed and POxy.144.6 was
written in the Fourth Century AD, which means that the Greek word χάραγμα meant MONEY at the time
Revelations was written.
Liddel-Scott are only documenting how the word had meaning at the times specified.
As you know, words change meanings over time. χάραγμα meant MONEY at the time the "Revelation" was
written. The bible "scholars mistranslated the word like they do with the Aramaic word Mammon, which is
only translated correctly in the New Oxford English Bible. (Or "Logos" is NOT translated as Logic in John 1:1.)
Jesus-Christ (if he existed) said, "You can't serve God & MONEY [mammon is an Aramaic word for money] ...
but the Pharisees, who loved money (philarguron) heard all this and scoffed." Like you're scoffing too. (See
Luke 16.)
Jesus also told his disciples, like the Buddha did, to not carry and gold, silver, script or brass in their purse.
Jesus also said, "Who's picture is on the χάραγμα-$$$?" Caesar's!
Also, xyzzy_n, I am NOT skilled at formatting.
You allow the Jehovah's Witnesses and several others to voice their opinion you should NOT censor mine
just because I am self-published.
PLEASE HELP ME FORMAT MY OPINION. God will bless you. I have donated $$$ to Wikipedia before too and
will again. Please don't censor my opinion: look at the context. Charagma was known as money when
Revelation was written. (2. stamped money, coin, AP5.29 (Antip.Thess.)
Peace & Love, Raquel
No, xyzzy_n, you DO need to look at the context and the definition of χάραγμα. I may not have a following
like the Jehovah's Witnesses do but I'm right and you ARE a Pharissitical censor of the truth!
I'll bet you hide your theory in the page somewhere. Like, why do these people get their theory in and not
me? Who the hell are they?!
What good are their references? My reference comes from the Unabridged Greek-English Lexicon by
Liddell and Scott.
Peace & Love, Raquel
My reference to the context and definition of χάραγμα = MONEY comes from the Unabridged greek-English
Lexicon by Liddell & Scott Greek-English Lexicon you can see a JPEG image of it on my website: http://www.
666ismoney.com/
You don't care about Truth, like a Pharisee you crucify the Logos-Logic of God! Peace, Love & Truth, Raquel.
- Hi! I have reverted your (repeated) addition of the remark about the translation of χάραγμα. Not only was it
formulated in a manner inconsistent with WP:NPOV, but I also could not find any support for the claim in that
lexicon. The website you provided was unhelpful (well, blatantly wrong and non-notable, actually). Please read
WP:NPOV, WP:V and WP:EL for more information. —xyzzyn 09:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
That you know, or believe to know, something does not justify inclusion here. Restating your theory does not
constitute an improvement. As for the reference I gave, please read it yourself before (falsely) asserting I had not
read it.
Rev. 16:2 reads thusly:
Καὶ ἀπῆλθεν ὁ πρῶτος καὶ ἐξέχεεν τὴν φιάλην αὐτοῦ εἰς τὴν γῆν: καὶ ἐγένετο ἕλκος κακὸν καὶ πονηρὸν ἐπὶ τοὺς
ἀνθρώπους τοὺς ἔχοντας τὸ χάραγμα τοῦ θηρίου+ καὶ τοὺς προσκυνοῦντας τῇ εἰκόνι αὐτοῦ.
In English, the translation looks like this:
And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the
men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
Liddell and Scott state:
A. any mark engraved, imprinted, or branded, […] ἔχειν τὸ χ. τοῦ θηρίου Apoc.16.2 , cf. 13.16;
Liddell and Scott then give another translation, as ‘money’, as follows:
2. stamped money, coin, AP5.29 (Antip.Thess.), POxy.144.6 (vi A. D.).
Feel free to look for the manuscript to which they refer by yourself. That website only gives its title as ‘P.Oxy. 1.32.
Latin letter to a tribunus militum’; how you conclude from this that this translation could be better applied to the
verse in question than the one explicitely given in the same entry is obscure to me.
Regardless, unless you can find a reliable source that has published your theory, it has no place in an
encyclopedia, including this one. By the way, please do read the policies which I pointed out above.
—xyzzyn 00:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
beast on/in mind or hand." Liddell and Scott tell the context of the words or the places they appear in
documents under translations throughout the centuries. (Words change meanings over time.)
Antipater Thessalonicensis wrote at the same time as the Revelation was composed and POxy.144.6 was
written in the Fourth Century AD, which means that the Greek word χάραγμα meant MONEY at the time
Revelations was written.
Liddel-Scott are only documenting how the word had meaning at the times specified.
As you know, words change meanings over time. χάραγμα meant MONEY at the time the "Revelation" was
written. The bible "scholars mistranslated the word like they do with the Aramaic word Mammon, which is
only translated correctly in the New Oxford English Bible. (Or "Logos" is NOT translated as Logic in John 1:1.)
Jesus-Christ (if he existed) said, "You can't serve God & MONEY [mammon is an Aramaic word for money] ...
but the Pharisees, who loved money (philarguron) heard all this and scoffed." Like you're scoffing too. (See
Luke 16.)
Jesus also told his disciples, like the Buddha did, to not carry and gold, silver, script or brass in their purse.
Jesus also said, "Who's picture is on the χάραγμα-$$$?" Caesar's!
Also, xyzzy_n, I am NOT skilled at formatting.
You allow the Jehovah's Witnesses and several others to voice their opinion you should NOT censor mine
just because I am self-published.
PLEASE HELP ME FORMAT MY OPINION. God will bless you. I have donated $$$ to Wikipedia before too and
will again. Please don't censor my opinion: look at the context. Charagma was known as money when
Revelation was written. (2. stamped money, coin, AP5.29 (Antip.Thess.)
Peace & Love, Raquel
- :I don’t ''need'' to ‘get it’ or ‘look at the CONTEXT’; my earlier comment on your theory was a matter of
courtesy, not related to the article (and I will not spend any more time on the theory than absolutely
necessary). It is [[WP:NPOV|policy]] on Wikipedia to present topics on which there is no definitive
point of view (i. e. just about everything outside of [[science]]) by presenting the points of view
proportionally to their support. This means that the JWs’ position gets a mention, because they are a
fairly large and reasonably well known group and some opinions of people who are not by themselves
known are mentioned because they seem to be supported by reasonably notable organisations, while
your view, which is [[WP:OR|your research]], published on your homepage, fails the [[WP:RS|reliability
check]] and stays out of the article.
:For your information, I neither allow nor censor anything; however, I do try to ensure that articles
which I edit comply with Wikipedia’s policies on content. Currently, I neither see any way to have your
view in the article without it breaching policy nor any need to tolerate such a breach.
:Please read [[WP:NOT]] and find a more worthwhile way to contribute to Wikipedia (or promote your
theory elsewhere; apparently you have already discovered [[Usenet]], which, I think, is far better
suited for your purposes). —[[User:xyzzy_n|xyzzy]]<sub>[[User talk:xyzzy_n|n]]</sub> 22:32, 16 July
2006 (UTC)
No, xyzzy_n, you DO need to look at the context and the definition of χάραγμα. I may not have a following
like the Jehovah's Witnesses do but I'm right and you ARE a Pharissitical censor of the truth!
I'll bet you hide your theory in the page somewhere. Like, why do these people get their theory in and not
me? Who the hell are they?!
- * Keith Krell interprets the mark as a requirement for all commerce to mean that the mark might
actually be an object with the function of a credit card.[13]
* Steven D. Miller proposes that the mark of the beast may refer to a social security number or card.
[14]
* Terry Watkins supposes the mark to be a microchip or barcode in or on the human body.[15]
What good are their references? My reference comes from the Unabridged Greek-English Lexicon by
Liddell and Scott.
Peace & Love, Raquel
- :No, it doesn’t (and truth is not [[WP:V|a standard for inclusion]]). —[[User:xyzzy_n|xyzzy]]<sub>[[User talk:
xyzzy_n|n]]</sub> 06:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
My reference to the context and definition of χάραγμα = MONEY comes from the Unabridged greek-English
Lexicon by Liddell & Scott Greek-English Lexicon you can see a JPEG image of it on my website: http://www.
666ismoney.com/
You don't care about Truth, like a Pharisee you crucify the Logos-Logic of God! Peace, Love & Truth, Raquel.
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